Forum:Merger with the Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project

I've started to talk to Bassium! about it, and I feel that it would be beneficial for the MegaMan Knowledge Base to become part of the Wikia Anime Project.

Just to note that there are 2 other topics Discussion on using Wikipedia Content, and Namespace and SITENAME Discussion which also apply to the merger, these should also be sorted out before this is finalized.

To explain what this would involve, I'll list out and explain the positives to this, and what standard things you would half to contend with due to technical reasons.


 * As detailed at Anime:Project:Administrators the Wikia Anime Project works on a 4 scale level of administrators instead of the 2 scale level here. Essentially this means that above the 2 levels of admins here there will also be 2 more levels which mainly deal with keeping certain things here in sync with the other wiki in the project.
 * The Wikia Anime Project has a number of Templates which are shared using the AutoTemplateBot on joining the project all the shared templates in the project will be mirrored over here. I'd like to note that you should not edit these here, but edit them at the Animepedia instead because any changes made here will be overridden but any changes made there will be mirrored in all wiki in the project. You can see what templates will be copied in the category over there Anime:Category:Templates/shared. I'll also note what significance this is to the templates here: (If you're going to ask; No, because they are shared by bot you can't have any of these templates not override ones here.)
 * Your Spoiler template will be replaced with the project one Anime:Template:Spoiler.
 * Your Disambig template will be replaced with the project one Anime:Template:Disambig.
 * You guys have a Template:Tobedeleted. It won't be overridden, but the project has a better Anime:Template:Delete which gives better details, and has options for quick deletes, changing the discussion location, and giving a reason. So I would recommend that Anime:Template:Delete become the new standard one to use. I would like to note that 3 of those images are added because my userpage (Which I have a special bot for mirroring to) uses them. But a number of the other images have general purpose.
 * You don't have a Template:Stub yet, but there is one at Anime:Template:Stub which will show up here. Note that we'll half to come up with a [[Image:Stub.png]] or [[Image:Stub.svg]] for it.
 * Anime:Template:AnimeNetwork is a special type of template. It outputs information about different wikia in the project, it gets an ID (This one's would be megaman) and it outputs information such as Interwiki links, home links, Wiki names, and logo names.
 * Other than Templates there is also a ImageMirrorBot which may copy and override images here. Though I doubt many images will be overridden. You can get an idea of what images will be copied by looking at w:c:Naruto:Images/noedit. Note that the Category structure there will also show up here.
 * The last notable bot which will be copying things over here is the UserBoxBot. This bot is more fun than serious. Essentially every Userbox and Category in the Anime:Category:Userboxes structure will be copied over here. Which means that you will have a number of new userboxes to fool around with, as well as a structure for creating new ones. There aren't to many at the moment, but I may create a few interesting megaman ones for you in the future.
 * You guys may have a Project:Copyrights page. Though there are ones with more explanation which are project wide such as Anime:Project:Copyrights.
 * You have a Help:Contents which is a little minimalistic. There's another one at Anime:Help:Contents it's linked to by the other wiki in the project, so you can link to there for helpful information on editing, and it will have better information because it can be improved cooperatively by multiple communities.
 * You have an About Page which has a little information and a disclaimer which doesn't have much. Though there's a bit more customized one at Anime:Project:About which could serve as a base for addition to the ones here.
 * JavaScript and CSS: The WAP has a good deal of JavaScript and CSS it shares across all of the Wikia in the project. Essentially the code here will reference what is back at the Animepedia which is where the global stuff is stored. There are a number of new features which will be enabled during this:
 * includeJS, includeCSS, includeJSCode, and includeCSSCode allow users to include JS and CSS from other places into their local stuff. This makes it easier to share things.
 * queryString also makes it easy to test things from the url query.
 * A number of sitenotice functions will be added, namely the ability to undismiss the notice if you add a button to do so.
 * There is code enabled which allows users to use a simple bit of code to add new buttons and options to the tab bar at the top and the different locations in the sidebar.
 * I have more information on how to add things such as the BasicTabs System to your personal view at w:User:Dantman/Tricks.
 * There are a large number of CSS Additions to:
 * Simple text classes such as center, top, left, right, etc... Allow you to use positioning for elements much easier than doing the styling yourself. Classes such as fill-horiz, cell-icon-25, and text-medium make block sizing, icon cell sizing, and text sizing easier to.
 * There is an advanced box styling system which allows for you to style things such as messages, tables, block elements, etc... In easy and standardized ways. (e.g. class="box table colored bordered innerbordered type-basic" in a table will give it a nice basic style which would take piles of normal styling information to make the table look remotely similar.)
 * TOC altering classes such as ones which hide the collapse, make the toc horizontal, hide it's colors so you can make another element outside it the TOC and add things to it, and ones which remove the numbering from it can also be added to do interesting things to it will be added here to. (Examples; Clearing the TOC so that you can add something to it like a archive list Anime:User talk:Dantman, Creating a horizontal TOC without numbering inside of a formatted table list w:c:Naruto:List of Ninjutsu.)
 * The Styles for the Forum setup which are lacking here are actually part of the global setup. Which means changing the forums is a little easier if something needs to be fixed.
 * On Special:Recentchanges the namespace selector will show up on the right, and the bite differences (Numbers showing how much has been changed in an edit), and the New and Minor symbols will be colored. An example at Anime:Special:Recentchanges.
 * On Special:Prefixindex the redirects will show up as grayed out small italics with a symbol next to them such as you can see at Anime:Special:Prefixindex.
 * If you look on the Animepedia on the sidebar (If your browser supports the code) there is an additional Switchbox element. Using it you can alter the switchbox to do a number of things such as lookup edit counts, the prefixindex lists pages, you can lookup user information and jump directly to articles and their edit pages to. This will start working with only a little reference to the code.
 * A number of system message stuff (Things in the MediaWiki: Namespace) will be changed or added:
 * A new message MediaWiki:Siteid will have the text megaman in it. It will basically be the id for here and used in conjunction with Template:AnimeNetwork it will help output information about the wiki for shared templates to use.
 * The Sidebar (Edited at MediaWiki:Sidebar) will be changed. A new Wikia Anime Project section will be added linking back to all the main wikia in the project. Example at the Animepedia. Other than this, you'll notice a nice setup I have of links which separates links which readers use, and what editors use. That may also be what will be used here. In return, any anime listed in the Animepedia will have a link here for more information. Which should in the future increase the number of editors and readers flooding over here from other wikia.
 * MediaWiki:Activeusersline defines what shows up at Special:Activeusers. The WAP Has a change in it (Defined at Anime:MediaWiki:Activeusersline and seen at Anime:Special:Activeusers) which adds some things such as talk links, and an editcount link to that page.
 * MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext defines what shows up on the bottom of talkpages. There a little different one at Anime:MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext which gives a little more flavor to the page.
 * This will only affect admins but Anime:MediaWiki:Deletedtext has an upgrade over MediaWiki:Deletedtext which helps you from orphaning talkpages by deleting articles but missing the talkpages.
 * A number of Edittools help make article edits simpler. A number of templates such as the spoiler tags are also added.
 * There's also a special Licencebuilder system being developed which will make adding licenses to images easier.

Just another note but, I have a habit of making a nice comfortable new layout style for any wikia I become involved as an administrator in. So if the project is joined I'll probably make a nice new colored layout here. I'm thinking a heavy blue theme. Little dark, but it helps emphasize the content and makes things comfortable. Examples of styling work which I have done for different Wikia can be seen at The Gaiapedia, the Animepedia, the Narutopedia, and the InuYasha Wiki.

I'd like any comments you have about incorporation into the project. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 26, 2007 @ 23:17 (UTC)

Question.
Will the MMKB still be it's own wiki like it is now? Or is all of the content just being dumped into an all-anime wiki? Bauer-CTU, MMKB sysop


 * Nope... It works like this. The Wikia Anime Project spans multiple wikia. Basically the Animepedia lists all the anime and gives full documentation on each anime using subpages in the Animepedia. Except for larger anime or series such as Naruto, InuYahsa, Bleach, Megaman, etc... In those cases it has a main article with the general information on the Anime and instead of linking to subpages for more detail, It links to content on the other wiki. This means that the Animepedia links to all the wiki in the project, and using the sidebar people can jump back to the list to look at another one. The main difference is standardization of some things, the MMKB will still exist. The workings for actually working on content aren't finished so the articles aren't done, but an example can be seen at Anime:Naruto which you'll see directs to the Narutopedia and in the sidebar there it also links back to the Animepedia. Look over the Narutopedia, It's a good example of how a wiki interacts with the project. Note that one of the big things of the project is the fact that because all the wiki are joined together, editors spill over from one wiki into another, one of the memebers from the Narutopedia has already started editing here, ,and I haven't made any mention of it other than adding this wiki to my userpage. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 29, 2007 @ 16:07 (UTC)
 * Ok... I still don't quite understand, such as the URL for this wiki will stay the same yes? Because you make it sound like we as a wiki aren't going to be able to do anything.  In other words you make it sound like all the information the small number of users here have worked on making will just go straight to the Animepedia, it's like we have nothing left here and were just supposed to let you take complete control, now you tell me is there going to still be a megaman.wikia.com if we connect with Animepedia?
 * Yes, it will still be the same. The content will still stay here (The objective of using multiple wiki is to breakup the content and use other wiki to go into even more detail than you can do on one), megaman.wikia.com will still link here and en.anime.wikia.com will still link there. Merger is just a word applied to the project, if you're needing a fitting word for other wiki, it's more like affiliation. The main differences are the listed things which are controlled by bot, the Links which will be inside the sidebar linking back to the main lists, and Animepedia editors adding relevant content to articles here. The only actual control elements are the few standards that the project has started. Such as how to deal with Wikipedia content, and how to use English, Romanji, and Kanji. I suppose for now with the MMKB already being an existing wiki we'll let the Fair use policy slide, though with the whole legal thing it might be something you could ask for help in fixing. (the Nope... in my last comment was saying no to the MMKB being dumped into the Animepedia) ~Dantman(talk) Mar 30, 2007 @ 08:19 (UTC)

Why?
Why would a Mega Man wiki even sign onto this project? If it were a video game thing, I could see it, but anime is a small spin-off of the main throughline of Mega Man.--Guy Ruffian 16:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It may be a spinoff but it's still there, and It's both big, and been there since the classic stuff. It would be nice if someone would start a Wikia Video Games project, the MMKB could become part of both. If you don't like editing the anime parts, then letting in the project means you have other editors coming in to do that. The project just covers the Anime related articles, so you're basically free with the other articles, but the standards and templates are pretty good that they might make editing the game articles even easier to. It's not the case at all that Wikia in the Wikia Anime Project are all dedicated to Anime, in fact it's quite different. The project currently only covers Anime, but it's going to expand into Manga, and later into Cartoons and Comics. The Animepedia and Manga wiki which would become part of the project focus souly on those factors, but all the wiki they link to on series don't focus on that, they incorperate every part of the series, anime, manga, game, and whatever else there is. The Narutopedia covers the Anime, Manga, and even the things such as the Card game are being worked on. Heck, I don't know if it's a possibility, but it would be nice if the project (Which would end up being called the Wikia Con Project (Conventions being the only word common to all 4 subjects) could possibly even extend into Video Games and addopt, create, or have an existing Wikia on the subject join in. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 30, 2007 @ 17:05 (UTC)

Demonstration of some of the Standardized Templates and Styles
While helping fix up the Characters list, I added in some stuff to demonstrate some of the Styles, Templates, and Classes we use in the project to make things look better and work better. List of Characters is now actually broken up into multiple articles (Sections were to big so now they each have their own article and are transcluded back). Also, the List of BN, NT, MegaMan NT Warrior, and RockMan.EXE Characters has a demonstration of the toc modifying classes (.toc-start-2 hides the Battle Network Series / Network Transmission Series and MegaMan NT Warrior Series / RockMan.EXE Series headers from the toc, adds commas, removes the numbers, and styles it into a horizontal toc inside the table ), the content modifying classes(.cell-align-top makes all the cells have a top alignment, and .noheaderborder hides the header border), and the box classes (the entire style of the table). Also, all the List pages under the Character's list use the template I cloned over here to demonstrate a good way of helping readers move around the site. There's also which I merely cloned so that the Examples in  would work, but I'm even using it now to demonstrate what it does. It's modified from Wikipedia's (Ours has more features such as the ability to add the subst: to it, and a larger limit) and it's basically used to let you give examples of how a template would be used without using any nowiki tags. Not only does it do that, but it also creates a link to that template, meaning using simple text, you can demonstrate the use of a template, give a link to it, and it will still be copyable so people can paste it they way they would use it. There are a lot more of these kind of things I can show you that the project uses to make things work better. Some of them are completely original, and some of them are copied and massively upgraded from the ones used on Wikipedia. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 31, 2007 @ 11:07 (UTC)
 * Just cause it's something I usually do. I put up a style for the site. The basic code is similar to the other Wikia I've done but it's a new color scheme... Darkblue suits MegaMan, right? Tell me how you like it, or what you think could be added. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 31, 2007 @ 12:06 (UTC)
 * You guys seam to use a certain style for putting up messages around the site so I've turned that into one of the type- color classes which are used by the box styling system. type-note now holds that coloring scheme, so to make one of those colored message boxes you use class="box message colored bordered type-note" You can take a look at the source for the Main Page to see how, table syntax also makes it even easier to read. class="center" can also be used to make the message centered. ~Dantman(talk) Mar 31, 2007 @ 12:32 (UTC)

Well...
Sound ok to me, but it's not really what I think. I mean it's the hole websites maybe 10 users think. But I can't really see any negatives for the MMKB, I can think up plenty for the Animepedia 'tho...
 * What kind of negatives? The Wikia Anime Project's Main goal is expanding across as many of the Wikia which are related to Anime, Manga, Cartoons, and Comics. Including the MMKB Now instead of later would make things end up nicer. Though, I know there may be a few Wikia which don't end up in the project, I notice a lot of complaints on the .hack wiki and we might hold off on asking them. ~Dantman(talk) Apr 2, 2007 @ 23:42 (UTC)

I object... and PLEASE reset the colors!!
First off, to Dantman, please change the border color back to white. It's hard to see where to click for edits or to log on.

Secondly, and my personal opinion, I don't like this idea of this merger (especially thing little "suprises" like this color mess happen) I've been a sysop here on this wiki for nearly a year, and I earned it. Don't take this personally, because it isn't, but, I never heard of you before last week and I don't see how you suddenly got this power (unless you've been here for a long period of time). I personally don't see why this should happen anyway. It's not like the Comic wikis (where Batman is lumped in with Superman and The Flash, because it's all in the same universe). I could see the MMKB just being an affiliate of this other site.

I appologize if I sound like I'm rambling, I'm sure you have good intentons, I'm just a little scared about the future of this site. I've made friends here and we've all helped nurture this this from a worthless page with little info to and living breathing encyclopedia for Mega Man fans (and run exclusivly by Mega Man fans, which I am one) I just don't want to see it ripped apart for the sake of saving space or crap like that. But, if this wiki will remain un-altered by this merger. Then, it won't be bad.

(Bauer-CTU, MMKB sysop)


 * The colors are back, though if the issue was hard to be seen tabs it would have been better to improve the color scheme a bit to improve accessibility. The color scheme was just a small thing I was testing to see if people liked, I've added them to other Wikia and everyone always seams to find it more comfortable to work in a soft layout then the default white. The objective of the WAP is not for saving space or anything; Other places like Wikipedia and the other encyclopedias merely list out the main characters and the basic information on the series. But the project's goal isn't just the basic stuff, it wants to document every character, every unique aspect, and every Episode or Chapter of any series which has a Anime, Manga, Comic, or Cartoon counterpart. There are 3 megaman cartoons, and 6 anime series. Going by the outlines of the project, the extent of what we'd want to document extends through every NetNavi, every Character, all the Viri and BattleChips, all the Anime and Cartoon Episodes, and all the Locations. But Wikia which are part of the project don't specialize in Anime or just Manga, Cartoons, or Comics. The Narutopedia also is working on documenting the Video Games and Card games. Basically while the Animepedia, Manga Wiki, etc... All deal only with their own section, the Wikia which they link to join all of those together and incorporate all the other things about the topic such as Video Games, etc... Even if that means that most of the content of the wiki is centered around that area. The reason the project wants to have the MMKB as a part is not to just dump anime stuff off and then Link to it, but because a lot of the content that it would like to incorporate is stuff the MMKB already has and just wouldn't fit in on any of the other Wikia in the project.
 * ''p.s. I'm actually not off the topic, I've played the megaman games for awhile to; I started out with one of the X games at school, I played all the classic games (Though controls were always an issue for classic games and me), I've played Battle Network 1, 2, and 3, I played MMX Command Mission, and I own Network Transmission (I'm only missing a few of the chips. Proud to say that's the best mm game I've done in without all the extra aid). ~Dantman(talk) Apr 6, 2007 @ 15:51 (UTC)

My only question now is this: will all of the files and info that's currently here on the mmkb still be right here at this address, un-altered? Will the mmkb still be it's own site if this merge goes through? Bauer-CTU